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android April 28th 16 09:53 AM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
Cross posting to: rec.photo.digital, alt.comp.periphs.scanner

In article , philo
wrote:

On 04/26/2016 02:18 PM, wrote:
Macbook Pro with OS X El Capitan on Epson Perfection v600

I am struggling with scanning odd sizes of old film. I love the Epson v600
scanner. Sometimes it is amazingly intelligent, but other times it is
totally unpredictable and uncontrollable.

For example i am having trouble with the old Kodak 110mm film from the
Instamatics.
What is a good forum or help group to ask questions about Epson scanning?

It will do things like this:




You left that part blank but I can probably help you as I have the same
scanner.

For 35mm and medium format, the scanner is set up to properly auto-crop

but to scan other types of film, though it can do it you will need to
scan with the auto-crop feature turned off, the crop manually.

If you have just a few rolls, that should not be a big deal


If you have hundreds, that might be a problem


Depending on the software i would try to treat each 110 strip as one
picture and crop them afterwards. They are soo small. If there is a
problem to store crops in presets of the software you're using then I
would recommend that you download Vuescan and try it out. It's a free
download and works unlicensed with watermarks.

http://www.hamrick.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110_film
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[email protected] April 29th 16 08:08 AM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:20 +0200, android wrote:

Depending on the software i would try to treat each 110 strip as one
picture and crop them afterwards.


I've been down this route, and the only thing that really works for
these old 110 sizes is a customozed film holder, It makes the whole
thing feasible and straightforward, and you don't have to cut up the
negs...

Cost from around $20, some people make their own but I don't have the
skill for that.

Make sure you get the one for your scanner. This is one supplier.

http://www.negative-solutions.com/index.html

I got mine from these people:

http://www.filmscanusa.net/

Be aware, the old 110 negs are pretty grainy in comparison with 35mm.
They were never meant to last.

[email protected] April 29th 16 08:12 AM

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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:08:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:20 +0200, android wrote:

Depending on the software i would try to treat each 110 strip as one
picture and crop them afterwards.


I've been down this route, and the only thing that really works for
these old 110 sizes is a customozed film holder, It makes the whole
thing feasible and straightforward, and you don't have to cut up the
negs...

Cost from around $20, some people make their own but I don't have the
skill for that.

Make sure you get the one for your scanner. This is one supplier.

http://www.negative-solutions.com/index.html

I got mine from these people:

http://www.filmscanusa.net/

Be aware, the old 110 negs are pretty grainy in comparison with 35mm.
They were never meant to last.



This item might be just what you need:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...hps_bw_g229_i1

android April 29th 16 11:23 AM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
In article , [email protected]
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:08:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:20 +0200, android wrote:

Depending on the software i would try to treat each 110 strip as one
picture and crop them afterwards.


I've been down this route, and the only thing that really works for
these old 110 sizes is a customozed film holder, It makes the whole
thing feasible and straightforward, and you don't have to cut up the
negs...

Cost from around $20, some people make their own but I don't have the
skill for that.

Make sure you get the one for your scanner. This is one supplier.

http://www.negative-solutions.com/index.html

I got mine from these people:

http://www.filmscanusa.net/

Be aware, the old 110 negs are pretty grainy in comparison with 35mm.
They were never meant to last.



This item might be just what you need:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...hps_bw_g229_i1


Oki... That one holds to strips. Should make life easier for the OP.
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teleportation kills

[email protected] April 29th 16 10:10 PM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:23:50 +0200, android wrote:

In article , [email protected]
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:08:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:20 +0200, android wrote:

Depending on the software i would try to treat each 110 strip as one
picture and crop them afterwards.

I've been down this route, and the only thing that really works for
these old 110 sizes is a customozed film holder, It makes the whole
thing feasible and straightforward, and you don't have to cut up the
negs...

Cost from around $20, some people make their own but I don't have the
skill for that.

Make sure you get the one for your scanner. This is one supplier.

http://www.negative-solutions.com/index.html

I got mine from these people:

http://www.filmscanusa.net/

Be aware, the old 110 negs are pretty grainy in comparison with 35mm.
They were never meant to last.



This item might be just what you need:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...hps_bw_g229_i1


Oki... That one holds to strips. Should make life easier for the OP.


Yes, it lets you scan the individual negatives or slides and thus get
the best out of each one, Also holds slightly curling negatives flat
for the scan.

Much better results than with trying to scan a whole strip at once and
then editing it. Definitely worth the investment in my experience, I
was able to scan negatives that I thought were un-doable.

One point though: a lot of the old 110 color negative films really
lose color over time, so you'll probably need to do some correction
with software.

Apart from the convenient size, that 110 format was probably one of
the worst ever in terms of preservation.



nospam April 29th 16 11:33 PM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
In article , [email protected]
wrote:


One point though: a lot of the old 110 color negative films really
lose color over time, so you'll probably need to do some correction
with software.

Apart from the convenient size, that 110 format was probably one of
the worst ever in terms of preservation.


it was no different than the same film in any other size.

[email protected] April 30th 16 06:39 AM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:33:06 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , [email protected]
wrote:


One point though: a lot of the old 110 color negative films really
lose color over time, so you'll probably need to do some correction
with software.

Apart from the convenient size, that 110 format was probably one of
the worst ever in terms of preservation.


it was no different than the same film in any other size.


Based on my experience, I would disagree. The color Instamatic films
that I have scanned from the 1970s are noticeably more degraded than
other formats from the same time or before it. The 110 in particular
seems to be worse than all the others.

I appreciate however that I may have just been consistently unlucky
with the film I bought at that time. Others may find the same
however.

nospam April 30th 16 01:20 PM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
In article , [email protected]
wrote:


One point though: a lot of the old 110 color negative films really
lose color over time, so you'll probably need to do some correction
with software.

Apart from the convenient size, that 110 format was probably one of
the worst ever in terms of preservation.


it was no different than the same film in any other size.


Based on my experience, I would disagree. The color Instamatic films
that I have scanned from the 1970s are noticeably more degraded than
other formats from the same time or before it. The 110 in particular
seems to be worse than all the others.


if the fading was not the same, then you bought *different* film in the
smaller size.

film from the 1970s faded more than most, but that wasn't limited to
110 format. if you bought the same film in 35mm or 120 at the same time
as the 110, it would also have faded just as much.

what matters is the film formulation, not how big or small it is.

Ken Hart April 30th 16 04:18 PM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
On 04/30/2016 08:20 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , [email protected]
wrote:


One point though: a lot of the old 110 color negative films really
lose color over time, so you'll probably need to do some correction
with software.

Apart from the convenient size, that 110 format was probably one of
the worst ever in terms of preservation.

it was no different than the same film in any other size.


Based on my experience, I would disagree. The color Instamatic films
that I have scanned from the 1970s are noticeably more degraded than
other formats from the same time or before it. The 110 in particular
seems to be worse than all the others.


if the fading was not the same, then you bought *different* film in the
smaller size.

film from the 1970s faded more than most, but that wasn't limited to
110 format. if you bought the same film in 35mm or 120 at the same time
as the 110, it would also have faded just as much.

what matters is the film formulation, not how big or small it is.


The film formulation may be the issue. The pocket instamatic was
introduced in 1972. Kodak also introduced C-41 process film in the same
year. Some film manufacturers "didn't get the memo", and made 110 film
in the older C-22 process. Some early processors of C-41 film also might
not have gotten the memo, and may have had some growing pains with the
C-41 process.

So it is possible that the OP is comparing C-22 process film with C-41
film, or it is possible that the "lab" that processed his film was using
the wrong process or the correct process incorrectly ("Fixer is fixer-
let's not waste this C-22 fixer- we'll just mix it with the C-41 stuff!")

In order to say that 110 film faded more or the same as other film
sizes, more information is needed, to be sure that the comparison is valid.

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Ken Hart


[email protected] May 1st 16 09:29 AM

Looking for forum for help with Epson scanner
 
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:18:28 -0400, Ken Hart
what matters is the film formulation, not how big or small it is.


The film formulation may be the issue. The pocket instamatic was
introduced in 1972. Kodak also introduced C-41 process film in the same
year. Some film manufacturers "didn't get the memo", and made 110 film
in the older C-22 process. Some early processors of C-41 film also might
not have gotten the memo, and may have had some growing pains with the
C-41 process.

So it is possible that the OP is comparing C-22 process film with C-41
film, or it is possible that the "lab" that processed his film was using
the wrong process or the correct process incorrectly ("Fixer is fixer-
let's not waste this C-22 fixer- we'll just mix it with the C-41 stuff!")

In order to say that 110 film faded more or the same as other film
sizes, more information is needed, to be sure that the comparison is valid.


This is quite probable.

That said, the core point is that when scanning 110, these issues are
made more tryng by that format's tiny size and fiddly handling when it
comes to scanning negatives. Not least when the film is no longer
perfectly flat.

This is why in my opinion, it pays to invest the small sum for a
specialized film holder for the purpose rather than trying to wing it
with crude workarounds and bodges. At the very least, you start off
with the best scan you can get out of it.





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