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Old October 29th 07, 04:54 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Joe_Z
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I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link to
newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget" system,
please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it is
very appreciated...Joe


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Old October 29th 07, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Wes Newell
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it
is very appreciated...Joe


A real pro would tell you that's not enough info to go on.He would ask
for an intended use of the system and preferably exactly what apps you
plan to be running. As an example;

General home computer used for internet mostly with occasional office
apps like word pro, etc. No or very little games.

He'd also ask the max amount you'd want to spend on this since that would
determine most of it. A budget system to me is under $300 minus printer
and monitor. Since you're asking for just parts, how much is the max
you're willing to spend on the parts? With that I could give you a best
bang for the buck list.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
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Old October 30th 07, 01:18 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Joe_Z
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"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it
is very appreciated...Joe


A real pro would tell you that's not enough info to go on.He would ask
for an intended use of the system and preferably exactly what apps you
plan to be running. As an example;

General home computer used for internet mostly with occasional office
apps like word pro, etc. No or very little games.

He'd also ask the max amount you'd want to spend on this since that would
determine most of it. A budget system to me is under $300 minus printer
and monitor. Since you're asking for just parts, how much is the max
you're willing to spend on the parts? With that I could give you a best
bang for the buck list.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php


Your absolutely right Wes and that shows my greeness here and ask the
pro's to look past this and make an educated guess under "budget" system and
whatever that would cover, low priced but functional please and the system
will be used for possibly 2 or 3 formats, audio and video first thank you,
excuse again...Joe


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Old October 30th 07, 02:18 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Paul
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Joe_Z wrote:
"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it
is very appreciated...Joe

A real pro would tell you that's not enough info to go on.He would ask
for an intended use of the system and preferably exactly what apps you
plan to be running. As an example;

General home computer used for internet mostly with occasional office
apps like word pro, etc. No or very little games.

He'd also ask the max amount you'd want to spend on this since that would
determine most of it. A budget system to me is under $300 minus printer
and monitor. Since you're asking for just parts, how much is the max
you're willing to spend on the parts? With that I could give you a best
bang for the buck list.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php


Your absolutely right Wes and that shows my greeness here and ask the
pro's to look past this and make an educated guess under "budget" system and
whatever that would cover, low priced but functional please and the system
will be used for possibly 2 or 3 formats, audio and video first thank you,
excuse again...Joe



Wes is perfectly right to ask this question. The reason is, there are
*thousands* of different solutions we could put together. Some of
them would be *worthless* to you. As bad as buying a Dell blindfolded.
We don't want to answer this question, unless we can do a good job.

I'll put together some examples of computers, and you pick one
of them as what you want:

1) Email / web surfing / play the odd movie or video (low resolution).

Answer: 1GHz Pentium3 is enough for movie playback in low resolution.
Motherboard with built-in video is enough to paint the screen.
512MB RAM recommended, since RAM is relatively cheap, and you
don't save a lot there.

If a computer is slow, you just wait longer. If you want to
be a "cheap skate", then your web pages take longer to render.
But you saved a lot of money on hardware.

2) Same as (1), only you want a web page to render quick. If you have
high speed (broadband) Internet, then this option makes more sense.
No sense wasting $50 a month for high speed Internet, and not being
able to use it.

Answer: 3GHz Pentium4 or equivalent. Motherboard with built-in video.
512MB RAM minimum.

3) Same as (2), but "I want to rip DVDs and edit video".

Answer: Dual core processor. Allows some grinding in the background,
while you continue to work on the computer. P4 dual core class at 3GHz
or current AMD/Intel at 2GHz (since they're 50% faster inside).
Motherboard with built-in video. 1GB RAM minimum (leaves room
for more simultaneous programs to run).

4) Same as (2), only you want to play the game "The SIMs" in 3D.

Answer: This is called "light-weight" gaming.
Hardware same as (2), only add a separate $50 video card.

5) Same as (4), only "I don't want my games to suck".

Answer: Depends on budget. $280 processor (Q6600) + $300 video card (8800GTS)
means you are ready for anything. Even Vista OS and DX10 hardware
support are there. Install 2GB of RAM as well, as some games use
the extra RAM to advantage.

Intermediate budget would be $155 processor (E4600). If happy with
DX9 gaming, an X1950Pro video card for $130. For DX10, an 8600GTS
video card would be as cheap as I would go ($130 after mail-in rebate).
I'd still want the 2GB of RAM, as you can find pretty cheap RAM, and
you want matched sticks for dual channel operation (available on most
motherboards).

So those are examples of computers you could build. There is a tradeoff
between "I am a cheapskate", and "I am a sucker for technology I'll never use".
But it is up to you, Joe, to decide what *you* want. Imagine if we picked
clothing for you to wear - would you like it if we fitted you in "Dockers" ?
I didn't think so :-)

So pick a number from (1) through (5). Indicate how much you have to spend.
$800 for motherboard/RAM/video_card/processor makes a nice rig, while
$300 for the same hardware, makes a nice rig for your "grandma".

And if you don't like my five descriptions, write your own description.

Paul
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Old October 30th 07, 04:03 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Joe_Z[_3_]
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"Paul" wrote in message ...
Joe_Z wrote:
"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it
is very appreciated...Joe
A real pro would tell you that's not enough info to go on.He would ask
for an intended use of the system and preferably exactly what apps you
plan to be running. As an example;

General home computer used for internet mostly with occasional office
apps like word pro, etc. No or very little games.

He'd also ask the max amount you'd want to spend on this since that
would
determine most of it. A budget system to me is under $300 minus printer
and monitor. Since you're asking for just parts, how much is the max
you're willing to spend on the parts? With that I could give you a best
bang for the buck list.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php


Your absolutely right Wes and that shows my greeness here and ask the
pro's to look past this and make an educated guess under "budget" system
and whatever that would cover, low priced but functional please and the
system will be used for possibly 2 or 3 formats, audio and video first
thank you, excuse again...Joe


Wes is perfectly right to ask this question. The reason is, there are
*thousands* of different solutions we could put together. Some of
them would be *worthless* to you. As bad as buying a Dell blindfolded.
We don't want to answer this question, unless we can do a good job.

I'll put together some examples of computers, and you pick one
of them as what you want:

1) Email / web surfing / play the odd movie or video (low resolution).

Answer: 1GHz Pentium3 is enough for movie playback in low resolution.
Motherboard with built-in video is enough to paint the screen.
512MB RAM recommended, since RAM is relatively cheap, and you
don't save a lot there.

If a computer is slow, you just wait longer. If you want to
be a "cheap skate", then your web pages take longer to render.
But you saved a lot of money on hardware.

2) Same as (1), only you want a web page to render quick. If you have
high speed (broadband) Internet, then this option makes more sense.
No sense wasting $50 a month for high speed Internet, and not being
able to use it.

Answer: 3GHz Pentium4 or equivalent. Motherboard with built-in video.
512MB RAM minimum.

3) Same as (2), but "I want to rip DVDs and edit video".

Answer: Dual core processor. Allows some grinding in the background,
while you continue to work on the computer. P4 dual core class
at 3GHz
or current AMD/Intel at 2GHz (since they're 50% faster inside).
Motherboard with built-in video. 1GB RAM minimum (leaves room
for more simultaneous programs to run).

4) Same as (2), only you want to play the game "The SIMs" in 3D.

Answer: This is called "light-weight" gaming.
Hardware same as (2), only add a separate $50 video card.

5) Same as (4), only "I don't want my games to suck".

Answer: Depends on budget. $280 processor (Q6600) + $300 video card
(8800GTS)
means you are ready for anything. Even Vista OS and DX10
hardware
support are there. Install 2GB of RAM as well, as some games
use
the extra RAM to advantage.

Intermediate budget would be $155 processor (E4600). If happy
with
DX9 gaming, an X1950Pro video card for $130. For DX10, an
8600GTS
video card would be as cheap as I would go ($130 after mail-in
rebate).
I'd still want the 2GB of RAM, as you can find pretty cheap
RAM, and
you want matched sticks for dual channel operation (available
on most
motherboards).

So those are examples of computers you could build. There is a tradeoff
between "I am a cheapskate", and "I am a sucker for technology I'll never
use".
But it is up to you, Joe, to decide what *you* want. Imagine if we picked
clothing for you to wear - would you like it if we fitted you in "Dockers"
?
I didn't think so :-)

So pick a number from (1) through (5). Indicate how much you have to
spend.
$800 for motherboard/RAM/video_card/processor makes a nice rig, while
$300 for the same hardware, makes a nice rig for your "grandma".

And if you don't like my five descriptions, write your own description.

Paul


Thank you, I'd just like a budget system without to many hardware
issues if anyone has built one the past year or so, I understand there are
countless things one can do with a computer but we are talking 64 not 32 now
and that would/should give enough cycles to do these things I believe, ok
then no links, nevermind, it was a shot in the dark that I thought I could
get here...Joe



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Old October 30th 07, 08:07 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Paul
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Joe_Z wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Joe_Z wrote:
"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking "budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but it
is very appreciated...Joe




Thank you, I'd just like a budget system without to many hardware
issues if anyone has built one the past year or so, I understand there are
countless things one can do with a computer but we are talking 64 not 32 now
and that would/should give enough cycles to do these things I believe, ok
then no links, nevermind, it was a shot in the dark that I thought I could
get here...Joe


*******
This motherboard has built-in video. So no more money needed for a video card.

GIGABYTE GA-M61P-S3 AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128034

Dual core processor. Comes with heatsink and fan.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Processor - Retail $88
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103749

Next, some RAM.

Crucial 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $51
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146569

The system so far, does not need a lot of power. The processor is 65W. The
entire system is probably no more than 150W or so.

Antec earthwatts (~80% efficiency) EA380 ATX12V v2.0 380W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL Retail $50
,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371005

*******

Note - When installing the OS for your system, follow the instructions here.
There are a couple additional steps, after you've installed Windows. So do
what you'd normally do, then start reading here.

"Windows XP Multi Core config"
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416

The motherboard manual is here. This is a full sized ATX motherboard and
not a microATX. So the footprint is 12" by 9.6" wide.

http://asia.giga-byte.com/FileList/M...-m61p-s3_e.pdf

Picture of motherboard:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...128-034-04.jpg

The motherboard has one IDE connector (lime green). That is suitable for an old IDE CDROM
and an old IDE hard drive, if you are reusing some parts. Unlike older motherboards,
the new motherboards now have more SATA connectors than IDE connectors.

The motherboard has built-in sound, built-in video (VGA connector), a built-in
Ethernet port for networking, and even has a Firewire chip, for connecting
a DV camera.

(Note - if you are reusing a computer monitor, it probably has
a VGA video connector. If buying a brand new LCD monitor, many of
the cheap ones have DVI only on them. I recommend to people, to buy a monitor
that has both a DVI connector and a VGA connector, and in this case, you'd
use the VGA to connect to the motherboard video output.)

The support CPU list is here. The 65W 4600+ is listed:

http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...ProductID=2434

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2400Mhz 512KBx2 Windsor 90nm F3 65W 2000 F3

Total cost for the above so far: $75 + $88 + $51 + $50 = $264

The power supply has a mail in rebate, so you can get a few bucks back on that.

The above system is good for:

1) Email, Microsoft Office
2) Web surfing
3) Playing "the SIMs" with built-in 3D, no good for "Oblivion" (which uses heavy 3D)
4) Could RIP DVDs, edit video, maybe a little slow for that.
5) Enough memory for WinXP or Vista

HTH,
Paul






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Old October 30th 07, 08:12 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
Joe_Z
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"Paul" wrote in message ...
Joe_Z wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Joe_Z wrote:
"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:54:18 +0000, Joe_Z wrote:

I'm asking the pro's I'm sure so if anyone might find the time to
link
to newegg and pick what you would build "today" as a clocking
"budget"
system, please and thanks...

Retail CPU-
Mobo -
PSU -
Ram -

The rest I can figure out I think, excuse being so much trouble but
it
is very appreciated...Joe




Thank you, I'd just like a budget system without to many hardware
issues if anyone has built one the past year or so, I understand there
are countless things one can do with a computer but we are talking 64 not
32 now and that would/should give enough cycles to do these things I
believe, ok then no links, nevermind, it was a shot in the dark that I
thought I could get here...Joe


*******
This motherboard has built-in video. So no more money needed for a video
card.

GIGABYTE GA-M61P-S3 AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128034

Dual core processor. Comes with heatsink and fan.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W
Processor - Retail $88
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103749

Next, some RAM.

Crucial 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Dual Channel
Kit Desktop Memory $51
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146569

The system so far, does not need a lot of power. The processor is 65W. The
entire system is probably no more than 150W or so.

Antec earthwatts (~80% efficiency) EA380 ATX12V v2.0 380W Power Supply
100 - 240 V UL Retail $50
,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371005

*******

Note - When installing the OS for your system, follow the instructions
here.
There are a couple additional steps, after you've installed Windows. So do
what you'd normally do, then start reading here.

"Windows XP Multi Core config"
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416

The motherboard manual is here. This is a full sized ATX motherboard and
not a microATX. So the footprint is 12" by 9.6" wide.

http://asia.giga-byte.com/FileList/M...-m61p-s3_e.pdf

Picture of motherboard:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...128-034-04.jpg

The motherboard has one IDE connector (lime green). That is suitable for
an old IDE CDROM
and an old IDE hard drive, if you are reusing some parts. Unlike older
motherboards,
the new motherboards now have more SATA connectors than IDE connectors.

The motherboard has built-in sound, built-in video (VGA connector), a
built-in
Ethernet port for networking, and even has a Firewire chip, for connecting
a DV camera.

(Note - if you are reusing a computer monitor, it probably has
a VGA video connector. If buying a brand new LCD monitor, many of
the cheap ones have DVI only on them. I recommend to people, to buy a
monitor
that has both a DVI connector and a VGA connector, and in this case, you'd
use the VGA to connect to the motherboard video output.)

The support CPU list is here. The 65W 4600+ is listed:

http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...ProductID=2434

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2400Mhz 512KBx2 Windsor 90nm F3 65W
2000 F3

Total cost for the above so far: $75 + $88 + $51 + $50 = $264

The power supply has a mail in rebate, so you can get a few bucks back on
that.

The above system is good for:

1) Email, Microsoft Office
2) Web surfing
3) Playing "the SIMs" with built-in 3D, no good for "Oblivion" (which uses
heavy 3D)
4) Could RIP DVDs, edit video, maybe a little slow for that.
5) Enough memory for WinXP or Vista

HTH,
Paul


Many Thanks, I have decided to build 2 systems so I'm pretty sure one
will function correctly and I can swap hardware around to get the best
config on one and add to the other, I can wait a few years for quad like
I've done 64, I saved and did without the headaches also, thanks again for
your help...Joe








 




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