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Old March 14th 16, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Bill Anderson
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

I've described my problem before on this newsgroup, and I've received
some helpful advice which I considered carefully and ... didn't act
upon. But this time, I promise, I'm about to solve my problem one way
or another.

Back in September, 2012, I built my current computer around an Asus
P9X79 mbo with an Intel i7-3930K 3.2G processor, 32gib Corsair Vengeance
DDR3 memory, an nVidia GTX570 graphics card, a horizontal Lian Li PC-C32
case, and a Dynatron processor fan which was the only fan I saw that was
short enough to fit in that nice and quiet Lian Li case. (Thanks, Paul,
for finding the cooler for me.)

It's actually a terrific build and I'm satisfied with it except for the
one thing that has been problematic since the beginning: the thing runs
hot when I'm processing video with the Adobe suite (Premiere, Encore,
Audition, etc. and even some other non-Adobe software). Everything is
fine when I'm doing normal stuff like Word, Excel, web and the like.
But when I start rendering video, every core in that processor shoots up
to 100% and the overheating begins.

Here's what things look like normally in my study. See the computer
down there in the lower right on a sliding shelf? It's not overheating
at all.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

Short URL: https://goo.gl/AbRjKh

But let me start processing video, and the jury-rigging begins. Out
slides the shelf and off comes the case lid, and on goes my trusty
electric fan which usually keeps the processor just barely under 80c
which is when the temperature warning beeps commence.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

Short URL: https://goo.gl/58oHPD

Pretty much nearly every time mostly, this works for me. But I've
recently installed some video processing software I really need, and
when I run it on video files even the little fan can't keep the
temperature down. Last night when the computer was beeping its
temperature warnings like a smoke alarm in a house fire, I had to go
into Win10 task manager and click "affinity" check boxes to turn off
half the cores. That almost totally stopped the beeping (and slowed the
processing) until the job was done. But I'm tired of this. I want a
new case big enough to accommodate a new cooler that will let me do what
I want without a bunch of fuss and bother. And I'm willing to pay what
it takes, within reason.

I figure I can get a mid-tower case wide enough to accommodate either a
big processor cooler with fan, or one of those liquid cooling setups
with a radiator/fan unit that attaches to the case. And I'm thinking
I'll either set the new case where my printer is now and move my printer
to the sliding shelf, or leave the printer where it is and put the new
computer on the floor to the right of my cabinet. It would be nice to
have everything contained in the big cabinet, but in the past I've
learned that putting the computer up in front of me increases noise and
even worse, keeps a flow of hot air in my face. I guess we'll see where
it ends up.

So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep my
processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as silent
as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled here and
there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything that says:
"Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I have found
all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and flashy lights
and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I think. Don't
want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.

What I want:
Nice, quiet, efficient cooling solution for a hot i7 processor
Spacious mid-tower that will accommodate that cooling solution
Internal bays for a minimum four internal HDDs, plus an SSD
External bays for an optical drive, and a card reader.
Front USB 3.0 ports as well as 2.0 ports. (As the P9X79 doesn't have
internal sockets for USB 3.0, I'll get a PCI-e card to which I can
attach the front USB 3.0 ports).
External front audio sockets

That oughta do it. Ideas, anyone? Maybe point me to the website I want
but haven't yet found? Thanks.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
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Old March 14th 16, 06:17 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Gil[_3_]
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

On 3/14/2016 1:21 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
I've described my problem before on this newsgroup, and I've received
some helpful advice which I considered carefully and ... didn't act
upon. But this time, I promise, I'm about to solve my problem one way
or another.

Back in September, 2012, I built my current computer around an Asus
P9X79 mbo with an Intel i7-3930K 3.2G processor, 32gib Corsair Vengeance
DDR3 memory, an nVidia GTX570 graphics card, a horizontal Lian Li PC-C32
case, and a Dynatron processor fan which was the only fan I saw that was
short enough to fit in that nice and quiet Lian Li case. (Thanks, Paul,
for finding the cooler for me.)

It's actually a terrific build and I'm satisfied with it except for the
one thing that has been problematic since the beginning: the thing runs
hot when I'm processing video with the Adobe suite (Premiere, Encore,
Audition, etc. and even some other non-Adobe software). Everything is
fine when I'm doing normal stuff like Word, Excel, web and the like. But
when I start rendering video, every core in that processor shoots up to
100% and the overheating begins.

Here's what things look like normally in my study. See the computer
down there in the lower right on a sliding shelf? It's not overheating
at all.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


Short URL: https://goo.gl/AbRjKh

But let me start processing video, and the jury-rigging begins. Out
slides the shelf and off comes the case lid, and on goes my trusty
electric fan which usually keeps the processor just barely under 80c
which is when the temperature warning beeps commence.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


Short URL: https://goo.gl/58oHPD

Pretty much nearly every time mostly, this works for me. But I've
recently installed some video processing software I really need, and
when I run it on video files even the little fan can't keep the
temperature down. Last night when the computer was beeping its
temperature warnings like a smoke alarm in a house fire, I had to go
into Win10 task manager and click "affinity" check boxes to turn off
half the cores. That almost totally stopped the beeping (and slowed the
processing) until the job was done. But I'm tired of this. I want a
new case big enough to accommodate a new cooler that will let me do what
I want without a bunch of fuss and bother. And I'm willing to pay what
it takes, within reason.

I figure I can get a mid-tower case wide enough to accommodate either a
big processor cooler with fan, or one of those liquid cooling setups
with a radiator/fan unit that attaches to the case. And I'm thinking
I'll either set the new case where my printer is now and move my printer
to the sliding shelf, or leave the printer where it is and put the new
computer on the floor to the right of my cabinet. It would be nice to
have everything contained in the big cabinet, but in the past I've
learned that putting the computer up in front of me increases noise and
even worse, keeps a flow of hot air in my face. I guess we'll see where
it ends up.

So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep my
processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as silent
as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled here and
there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything that says:
"Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I have found
all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and flashy lights
and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I think. Don't
want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.

What I want:
Nice, quiet, efficient cooling solution for a hot i7 processor
Spacious mid-tower that will accommodate that cooling solution
Internal bays for a minimum four internal HDDs, plus an SSD
External bays for an optical drive, and a card reader.
Front USB 3.0 ports as well as 2.0 ports. (As the P9X79 doesn't have
internal sockets for USB 3.0, I'll get a PCI-e card to which I can
attach the front USB 3.0 ports).
External front audio sockets

That oughta do it. Ideas, anyone? Maybe point me to the website I want
but haven't yet found? Thanks.


Having the same set-up as you, except for the case, I have no heating
problems. I'm using a Cooler Master full tower similar to this -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119225

Yes, it's a little bulky, but works really well. Trying to cramp
everything in a small case can result in poor airflow around the components.

I use three 230mm fans in it including the one on my cpu heatsink. The
advantage of the large fans is that they move a lot more air at low rpm
and therefore the noise is minimal. Plus the tower case has lots of room
in it to circulate air.

Having said that though, looking at your set-up in that cabinet I think
you'll find that your system is mostly recirculating the trapped warm
air from the computer case since there appears to be nowhere for the air
to escape out the back. Also, your system is laying on its side and the
warm air inside it is not escaping readily out the rear exhaust fan.
Perhaps you might want to experiment a bit and stand the case upright
and out in the open and see if that helps.

Gil


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Old March 14th 16, 07:29 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Paul
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

Bill Anderson wrote:
I've described my problem before on this newsgroup, and I've received
some helpful advice which I considered carefully and ... didn't act
upon. But this time, I promise, I'm about to solve my problem one way
or another.

Back in September, 2012, I built my current computer around an Asus
P9X79 mbo with an Intel i7-3930K 3.2G processor, 32gib Corsair Vengeance
DDR3 memory, an nVidia GTX570 graphics card, a horizontal Lian Li PC-C32
case, and a Dynatron processor fan which was the only fan I saw that was
short enough to fit in that nice and quiet Lian Li case. (Thanks, Paul,
for finding the cooler for me.)

It's actually a terrific build and I'm satisfied with it except for the
one thing that has been problematic since the beginning: the thing runs
hot when I'm processing video with the Adobe suite (Premiere, Encore,
Audition, etc. and even some other non-Adobe software). Everything is
fine when I'm doing normal stuff like Word, Excel, web and the like. But
when I start rendering video, every core in that processor shoots up to
100% and the overheating begins.

Here's what things look like normally in my study. See the computer
down there in the lower right on a sliding shelf? It's not overheating
at all.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


Short URL: https://goo.gl/AbRjKh

But let me start processing video, and the jury-rigging begins. Out
slides the shelf and off comes the case lid, and on goes my trusty
electric fan which usually keeps the processor just barely under 80c
which is when the temperature warning beeps commence.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


Short URL: https://goo.gl/58oHPD

Pretty much nearly every time mostly, this works for me. But I've
recently installed some video processing software I really need, and
when I run it on video files even the little fan can't keep the
temperature down. Last night when the computer was beeping its
temperature warnings like a smoke alarm in a house fire, I had to go
into Win10 task manager and click "affinity" check boxes to turn off
half the cores. That almost totally stopped the beeping (and slowed the
processing) until the job was done. But I'm tired of this. I want a
new case big enough to accommodate a new cooler that will let me do what
I want without a bunch of fuss and bother. And I'm willing to pay what
it takes, within reason.

I figure I can get a mid-tower case wide enough to accommodate either a
big processor cooler with fan, or one of those liquid cooling setups
with a radiator/fan unit that attaches to the case. And I'm thinking
I'll either set the new case where my printer is now and move my printer
to the sliding shelf, or leave the printer where it is and put the new
computer on the floor to the right of my cabinet. It would be nice to
have everything contained in the big cabinet, but in the past I've
learned that putting the computer up in front of me increases noise and
even worse, keeps a flow of hot air in my face. I guess we'll see where
it ends up.

So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep my
processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as silent
as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled here and
there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything that says:
"Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I have found
all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and flashy lights
and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I think. Don't
want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.

What I want:
Nice, quiet, efficient cooling solution for a hot i7 processor
Spacious mid-tower that will accommodate that cooling solution
Internal bays for a minimum four internal HDDs, plus an SSD
External bays for an optical drive, and a card reader.
Front USB 3.0 ports as well as 2.0 ports. (As the P9X79 doesn't have
internal sockets for USB 3.0, I'll get a PCI-e card to which I can
attach the front USB 3.0 ports).
External front audio sockets

That oughta do it. Ideas, anyone? Maybe point me to the website I want
but haven't yet found? Thanks.


The problem is likely to be the default BIOS setting.

And the question would be, can you afford to lose about
14% of your peak performance ?

Set Turbo Mode to Disable.

For testing, you can use a P3 International Kill-A-Watt,
which provides as easy a way as I can think of, of monitoring
the power. You can then modify settings, and see how
much power is saved.

When mine runs 7ZIP, the computer draws 182W at the moment.
I don't have a good video card in mine. Just a HD6450.

*******

When I first did my build, I tested on the kitchen table.
Everything appeared to be working. One of my test cases is
Prime95 (torture test). So I fire that up, and it's
running for a few minutes, and... I put my hand on the
VCore regulator heatsink. I burn myself... That means
the surface temperature was around 65C.

So when assembling the computer (with Turbo still enabled),
I place a "blower" in an optical drive bay, which blows air
over that too-small heatsink on VCore.

Later, after the build is in the case, I decide to try
Turbo disabled. I can no longer access the ATX12V cable,
to stick my clamp-on ammeter around the cable, but much
later (just a few weeks ago), I picked up a Kill-A-Watt.

With the clamp-on ammeter, running Prime95, I was getting
156W (12V @ 13A) flowing on ATX12V. Allowing for some
inefficiency in the VCore regulator (burning myself is
worth at least 12W of waste heat), that means the processor
is running around 144W (when I had Turbo enabled). Turbo
is really only supposed to operate when few of the cores
are occupied.

The whole computer now draws 182W at peak. So the
CPU power has dropped somewhat (obviously the two measurements
cannot be compared, as the 156W was just ATX12V with turbo,
the 182W is the whole computer non-turbo). Too bad all of this
"tuning" couldn't have been figured out on day one.
I suffer a loss in performance, but my guess would
be the motherboard tends to a slight overclock
set of settings, if allowed to choose its own
settings. It could be, that it's using a voltage
offset or something, to ensure stability.

*******

Now, that being said, you can't "stuff a 182W computer
in a breadbox". The laws of physics have not been
repealed.

You could try fitting a liquid cooling
loop for CPU and GPU, and fit the cooler outside
the furniture area. That might help a bit. In
terms of the "case cooling equation", that would
move most of the heat dissipation into the
pumped liquid, outside the furniture area.
Many people keep their loops inside the case,
but some have mounted the radiators outside.

http://www.coolercases.co.uk/gesher/x79_13.jpg

There really aren't any good pictures, but my guess
is that example are two loops. Two pumps in the
optical drive bays. A rad in the roof of the
case. A rad in the bottom of the case. Video card
on one loop. CPU on the other loop. Notice no provision
at all for VCore cooling. Just the Intel heatsink,
and whatever amount of coincidental cooling. There
is no room in that build for 5.25" drives,
as the pumps take up most of the bays. But the
inside of the case is pretty clean.

*******

For air cooling 182W, allowing a 14F degree internal
case temperature rise...

CFM = 3.16 * Watts / Delta_T_degrees_F

= 3.16 * 182 / 14F = 28CFM

The fan I've got, moves a lot more air than that,
purely by coincidence. You can only occasionally
feel heat in the screws that hold the PSU to the
casing. And the fan on the PSU is cranked to 100
percent, so it can't go any faster.

And my CPU doesn't get that warm, because
it has a massive air cooler on it. NH-D15.
I removed the front fan on mine, and just
run it with the middle fan. When the computer
case is upright, I have some supports to
take the weight off the motherboard (the
supports are adjustable, and you adjust the
tension by feel).

http://www.modders-inc.com/wp-conten...5d-500x333.jpg

You can switch to an 80+ power supply if you
aren't using one already. My PSU isn't 80+
and is an older design. So that 182W figure
must be de-rated by the inefficiency of the supply,
to get some idea of the motherboard power.

I'd make measurements, only there is zero
room to work inside the case. I can't even
add or remove PCI Express cards all that
easily. So in terms of my build being a
good one, no, it sucks. It's not
neat and tidy like that liquid cooled one.

*******

They make open concept cases for bench work. The dimensions
are unlikely to be small enough to suit your usage.

http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/...ir-PC-case.jpg

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/skelet...w-31683-3.html

Paul
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Old March 15th 16, 12:14 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Bill Anderson
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

On 3/14/2016 2:29 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote:



So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep
my processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as
silent as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled
here and there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything
that says: "Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I
have found all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and
flashy lights and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I
think. Don't want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.



The problem is likely to be the default BIOS setting.

And the question would be, can you afford to lose about
14% of your peak performance ?

Set Turbo Mode to Disable.


Paul, I've done some major snipping, not because I didn't find what you
wrote helpful, but because I just wanted to shorten this thread.

At first I thought you were on to something. I went into BIOS and sure
enough, Turbo was enabled -- so I disabled it. No more turbo.

Then I ran my software and before long, bam! All the cores shot to 100%
on my CPU Usage gadget and the beeping commenced.

It would be interesting to test power usage with Kill-A-Watt but I don't
have one and I truly believe a bigger case and cooling apparatus will do
the trick.

I mean, the problem can't be just tight quarters, can it? When I slide
the cpu case out of its cubbyhole and open the lid to expose everything
to the room and then put a pretty powerful fan right on everything to
pump fresh air into every nook and cranny -- I'd think at that point my
current cooler would get things under control if it could get things
under control. And in fact, for many jobs this works and the temps
hover in the 70s celsius and there are no beeps. But when my new
software gets going, there's no way that little cooler can do the job.
I've got to put the chill on the cpu.



*******

Now, that being said, you can't "stuff a 182W computer
in a breadbox". The laws of physics have not been
repealed.


Exactly. So I'm planning to get a bigger breadbox and a cooler that
should be able to handle the high temps, and then set it all outside my
cabinet. Gil suggested I go with Cooler Master and he recommended a
full tower. That would mean I'd definitely have to set it out of the
cabinet and on the floor. I've also found a mid-tower that claims to be
a High Air Flow model:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-233-_-Product

I like it also because it doesn't have a glowing fan or a big window.
But is it big enough? It supports 120mm fans, and the cooler I'm
looking at has 140mm fans.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...15,4000-3.html

So maybe I'll have to take Gil's advice and go with a full tower. But
even his Cooler Master seems to support only 120mm fans. The Tom's
Hardware page for the cooler says they used this case for a build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-054-_-Product

Guess that would work. Oh look, glowing red fans. How perfectly wonderful.

So...case plus cooler plus PCIe USB 3.0 card (which will have to go in a
PCI slot which I've read will work, I hope.

Think this'll do the trick? The Corsair case and the Kraken cooler?

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
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Old March 15th 16, 12:14 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Bill Anderson
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

On 3/14/2016 1:17 PM, Gil wrote:
On 3/14/2016 1:21 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
I've described my problem before on this newsgroup, and I've received
some helpful advice which I considered carefully and ... didn't act
upon. But this time, I promise, I'm about to solve my problem one way
or another.

Back in September, 2012, I built my current computer around an Asus
P9X79 mbo with an Intel i7-3930K 3.2G processor, 32gib Corsair Vengeance
DDR3 memory, an nVidia GTX570 graphics card, a horizontal Lian Li PC-C32
case, and a Dynatron processor fan which was the only fan I saw that was
short enough to fit in that nice and quiet Lian Li case. (Thanks, Paul,
for finding the cooler for me.)

It's actually a terrific build and I'm satisfied with it except for the
one thing that has been problematic since the beginning: the thing runs
hot when I'm processing video with the Adobe suite (Premiere, Encore,
Audition, etc. and even some other non-Adobe software). Everything is
fine when I'm doing normal stuff like Word, Excel, web and the like. But
when I start rendering video, every core in that processor shoots up to
100% and the overheating begins.

Here's what things look like normally in my study. See the computer
down there in the lower right on a sliding shelf? It's not overheating
at all.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy



Short URL: https://goo.gl/AbRjKh

But let me start processing video, and the jury-rigging begins. Out
slides the shelf and off comes the case lid, and on goes my trusty
electric fan which usually keeps the processor just barely under 80c
which is when the temperature warning beeps commence.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy



Short URL: https://goo.gl/58oHPD

Pretty much nearly every time mostly, this works for me. But I've
recently installed some video processing software I really need, and
when I run it on video files even the little fan can't keep the
temperature down. Last night when the computer was beeping its
temperature warnings like a smoke alarm in a house fire, I had to go
into Win10 task manager and click "affinity" check boxes to turn off
half the cores. That almost totally stopped the beeping (and slowed the
processing) until the job was done. But I'm tired of this. I want a
new case big enough to accommodate a new cooler that will let me do what
I want without a bunch of fuss and bother. And I'm willing to pay what
it takes, within reason.

I figure I can get a mid-tower case wide enough to accommodate either a
big processor cooler with fan, or one of those liquid cooling setups
with a radiator/fan unit that attaches to the case. And I'm thinking
I'll either set the new case where my printer is now and move my printer
to the sliding shelf, or leave the printer where it is and put the new
computer on the floor to the right of my cabinet. It would be nice to
have everything contained in the big cabinet, but in the past I've
learned that putting the computer up in front of me increases noise and
even worse, keeps a flow of hot air in my face. I guess we'll see where
it ends up.

So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep my
processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as silent
as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled here and
there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything that says:
"Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I have found
all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and flashy lights
and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I think. Don't
want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.

What I want:
Nice, quiet, efficient cooling solution for a hot i7 processor
Spacious mid-tower that will accommodate that cooling solution
Internal bays for a minimum four internal HDDs, plus an SSD
External bays for an optical drive, and a card reader.
Front USB 3.0 ports as well as 2.0 ports. (As the P9X79 doesn't have
internal sockets for USB 3.0, I'll get a PCI-e card to which I can
attach the front USB 3.0 ports).
External front audio sockets

That oughta do it. Ideas, anyone? Maybe point me to the website I want
but haven't yet found? Thanks.


Having the same set-up as you, except for the case, I have no heating
problems. I'm using a Cooler Master full tower similar to this -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119225

Yes, it's a little bulky, but works really well. Trying to cramp
everything in a small case can result in poor airflow around the
components.

I use three 230mm fans in it including the one on my cpu heatsink. The
advantage of the large fans is that they move a lot more air at low rpm
and therefore the noise is minimal. Plus the tower case has lots of room
in it to circulate air.

Having said that though, looking at your set-up in that cabinet I think
you'll find that your system is mostly recirculating the trapped warm
air from the computer case since there appears to be nowhere for the air
to escape out the back. Also, your system is laying on its side and the
warm air inside it is not escaping readily out the rear exhaust fan.
Perhaps you might want to experiment a bit and stand the case upright
and out in the open and see if that helps.

Gil



Thanks, Gil. See my response to Paul in which I reference your suggestions.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
  #6  
Old March 15th 16, 01:53 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Paul
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

Bill Anderson wrote:
On 3/14/2016 2:29 PM, Paul wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote:



So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep
my processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as
silent as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled
here and there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything
that says: "Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I
have found all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and
flashy lights and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I
think. Don't want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.



The problem is likely to be the default BIOS setting.

And the question would be, can you afford to lose about
14% of your peak performance ?

Set Turbo Mode to Disable.


Paul, I've done some major snipping, not because I didn't find what you
wrote helpful, but because I just wanted to shorten this thread.

At first I thought you were on to something. I went into BIOS and sure
enough, Turbo was enabled -- so I disabled it. No more turbo.

Then I ran my software and before long, bam! All the cores shot to 100%
on my CPU Usage gadget and the beeping commenced.

It would be interesting to test power usage with Kill-A-Watt but I don't
have one and I truly believe a bigger case and cooling apparatus will do
the trick.

I mean, the problem can't be just tight quarters, can it? When I slide
the cpu case out of its cubbyhole and open the lid to expose everything
to the room and then put a pretty powerful fan right on everything to
pump fresh air into every nook and cranny -- I'd think at that point my
current cooler would get things under control if it could get things
under control. And in fact, for many jobs this works and the temps
hover in the 70s celsius and there are no beeps. But when my new
software gets going, there's no way that little cooler can do the job.
I've got to put the chill on the cpu.



*******

Now, that being said, you can't "stuff a 182W computer
in a breadbox". The laws of physics have not been
repealed.


Exactly. So I'm planning to get a bigger breadbox and a cooler that
should be able to handle the high temps, and then set it all outside my
cabinet. Gil suggested I go with Cooler Master and he recommended a
full tower. That would mean I'd definitely have to set it out of the
cabinet and on the floor. I've also found a mid-tower that claims to be
a High Air Flow model:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-233-_-Product


I like it also because it doesn't have a glowing fan or a big window.
But is it big enough? It supports 120mm fans, and the cooler I'm
looking at has 140mm fans.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...15,4000-3.html


So maybe I'll have to take Gil's advice and go with a full tower. But
even his Cooler Master seems to support only 120mm fans. The Tom's
Hardware page for the cooler says they used this case for a build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-054-_-Product


Guess that would work. Oh look, glowing red fans. How perfectly
wonderful.

So...case plus cooler plus PCIe USB 3.0 card (which will have to go in a
PCI slot which I've read will work, I hope.

Think this'll do the trick? The Corsair case and the Kraken cooler?


Once you go with the larger case, and the case is no longer
inside the furniture, you have a lot more options.

You can use air cooling or liquid cooling. The objective is
to get the heat outside the case, so if the liquid radiator stays
inside the case, you'll still need enough airflow on the
rear fan, to exhaust the hot air.

One purpose of liquid cooling loops, is to allow higher
overclocks. But if air will do the job, then you
don't have to worry about liquid leaks. (That used to be
a problem with custom liquid cooling, but less so with
fixed retail loops.)

This picture is Speedfan. On the left, is a 7ZIP run.
Then, back to baseline (no-load). Followed by some
Prime95. There's about a 22C rise from the baseline
to the Prime95 temperature. And that's the NH-D15
with only the middle fan installed. I removed the
outside fan, to make a bit more room.

http://s27.postimg.org/nhknfbx4j/thermals.gif

I have a suspicion your sudden jump in temperature,
may be due to your software using both the GPU (shaders)
as well as the CPU. Which is two heat sources, compared
to my one heat source. As my HD6450 can't cook anything,
no matter how it's configured. I think it's around 17W
max, and 3W idle. Gutless.

Paul
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Old March 15th 16, 12:10 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
pk121
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

Hi Bill
I use this case
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v1020/
It keeps my system exceptionally cool and fairly quiet
right on my desk 3 ft from where I sit
pk121

"Bill Anderson" wrote in message
...

I've described my problem before on this newsgroup, and I've received
some helpful advice which I considered carefully and ... didn't act
upon. But this time, I promise, I'm about to solve my problem one way
or another.

Back in September, 2012, I built my current computer around an Asus
P9X79 mbo with an Intel i7-3930K 3.2G processor, 32gib Corsair Vengeance
DDR3 memory, an nVidia GTX570 graphics card, a horizontal Lian Li PC-C32
case, and a Dynatron processor fan which was the only fan I saw that was
short enough to fit in that nice and quiet Lian Li case. (Thanks, Paul,
for finding the cooler for me.)

It's actually a terrific build and I'm satisfied with it except for the
one thing that has been problematic since the beginning: the thing runs
hot when I'm processing video with the Adobe suite (Premiere, Encore,
Audition, etc. and even some other non-Adobe software). Everything is
fine when I'm doing normal stuff like Word, Excel, web and the like.
But when I start rendering video, every core in that processor shoots up
to 100% and the overheating begins.

Here's what things look like normally in my study. See the computer
down there in the lower right on a sliding shelf? It's not overheating
at all.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

Short URL: https://goo.gl/AbRjKh

But let me start processing video, and the jury-rigging begins. Out
slides the shelf and off comes the case lid, and on goes my trusty
electric fan which usually keeps the processor just barely under 80c
which is when the temperature warning beeps commence.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

Short URL: https://goo.gl/58oHPD

Pretty much nearly every time mostly, this works for me. But I've
recently installed some video processing software I really need, and
when I run it on video files even the little fan can't keep the
temperature down. Last night when the computer was beeping its
temperature warnings like a smoke alarm in a house fire, I had to go
into Win10 task manager and click "affinity" check boxes to turn off
half the cores. That almost totally stopped the beeping (and slowed the
processing) until the job was done. But I'm tired of this. I want a
new case big enough to accommodate a new cooler that will let me do what
I want without a bunch of fuss and bother. And I'm willing to pay what
it takes, within reason.

I figure I can get a mid-tower case wide enough to accommodate either a
big processor cooler with fan, or one of those liquid cooling setups
with a radiator/fan unit that attaches to the case. And I'm thinking
I'll either set the new case where my printer is now and move my printer
to the sliding shelf, or leave the printer where it is and put the new
computer on the floor to the right of my cabinet. It would be nice to
have everything contained in the big cabinet, but in the past I've
learned that putting the computer up in front of me increases noise and
even worse, keeps a flow of hot air in my face. I guess we'll see where
it ends up.

So, I want a new case and a new cooler. And I want the case to keep my
processor nice and chilly while remaining quiet, quiet, just as silent
as possible. And I've Googled Tom's Hardware and I've Googled here and
there and my head is spinning and I'm not finding anything that says:
"Here's the coolest, quietest plan for your build." But I have found
all sorts of nifty cases with big plexiglas windows and flashy lights
and glowing blue fans and dual exhaust tail fins too, I think. Don't
want that. Plain and simple will do just fine.

What I want:
Nice, quiet, efficient cooling solution for a hot i7 processor
Spacious mid-tower that will accommodate that cooling solution
Internal bays for a minimum four internal HDDs, plus an SSD
External bays for an optical drive, and a card reader.
Front USB 3.0 ports as well as 2.0 ports. (As the P9X79 doesn't have
internal sockets for USB 3.0, I'll get a PCI-e card to which I can
attach the front USB 3.0 ports).
External front audio sockets

That oughta do it. Ideas, anyone? Maybe point me to the website I want
but haven't yet found? Thanks.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog


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Old March 20th 16, 01:28 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Bill Anderson
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

On 3/15/2016 7:10 AM, pk121 wrote:
Hi Bill
I use this case
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v1020/
It keeps my system exceptionally cool and fairly quiet
right on my desk 3 ft from where I sit
pk121


Thanks. I've been out of town for the past few days so had to put off
doing anything. Just for the record, here's what I've ordered today
from Newegg:


Corsair Obsidian 750D case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139024

NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 280mm Water/Liquid CPU Cooling Solution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835146042

Silverstone PCI Express Card with USB 3.0 Internal Connector
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815256001

Will this solve my overheating problem? We shall see, probably next
weekend. I'll let you know. Thanks, everybody, for your input.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
  #9  
Old March 26th 16, 04:02 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Bill Anderson
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

On 3/19/2016 8:28 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
On 3/15/2016 7:10 AM, pk121 wrote:
Hi Bill
I use this case
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v1020/
It keeps my system exceptionally cool and fairly quiet
right on my desk 3 ft from where I sit
pk121


Thanks. I've been out of town for the past few days so had to put off
doing anything. Just for the record, here's what I've ordered today
from Newegg:


Corsair Obsidian 750D case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139024

NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 280mm Water/Liquid CPU Cooling Solution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835146042

Silverstone PCI Express Card with USB 3.0 Internal Connector
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815256001

Will this solve my overheating problem? We shall see, probably next
weekend. I'll let you know. Thanks, everybody, for your input.


Just look, it's next weekend and Newegg and the US Postal service have
come through a day early -- case delivered by FEDEX on Wednesday, cooler
and USB3 card promised on Saturday but delivered Friday by USPS.) And
now, after spending all afternoon and evening making the switch from one
case to the other, everything is working. Want to know my one mistake?
I had everything plugged in and I turned it on and it couldn't find
the boot drive. Why? Because it was the One. Single. Thing. I hadn't
plugged a power cable into. A simple slap on the forehead later and all
was well.

So now I'm transcoding video and finally, after years of dealing with an
Asus P9X79 setup that worked great except for when it had to work hard,
just look at these temps under 100% load! Just look!

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

https://goo.gl/S2VxCM

And not only is it doing the job without complaining, it looks pretty
nice too!

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

https://goo.gl/SctUIW

Pretty nice? What am I saying. I think it looks terrific. It's big,
though. Kinda like the 2001 A Space Odyssey monolith. I hope it
doesn't start calling me "Dave."

And the USB 3.0 internal card is working just fine in a PCI slot even
though the card is PCIE. And it's all running quiet, so very quiet!

Finally, finally. Thanks all of you, Paul especially, for your help.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
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Old March 26th 16, 04:55 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Paul
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Default Tired of hot processor on P9X79

Bill Anderson wrote:
On 3/19/2016 8:28 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
On 3/15/2016 7:10 AM, pk121 wrote:
Hi Bill
I use this case
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v1020/
It keeps my system exceptionally cool and fairly quiet
right on my desk 3 ft from where I sit
pk121


Thanks. I've been out of town for the past few days so had to put off
doing anything. Just for the record, here's what I've ordered today
from Newegg:


Corsair Obsidian 750D case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139024

NZXT Kraken X61 RL-KRX61-01 280mm Water/Liquid CPU Cooling Solution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835146042

Silverstone PCI Express Card with USB 3.0 Internal Connector
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815256001

Will this solve my overheating problem? We shall see, probably next
weekend. I'll let you know. Thanks, everybody, for your input.


Just look, it's next weekend and Newegg and the US Postal service have
come through a day early -- case delivered by FEDEX on Wednesday, cooler
and USB3 card promised on Saturday but delivered Friday by USPS.) And
now, after spending all afternoon and evening making the switch from one
case to the other, everything is working. Want to know my one mistake?
I had everything plugged in and I turned it on and it couldn't find the
boot drive. Why? Because it was the One. Single. Thing. I hadn't
plugged a power cable into. A simple slap on the forehead later and all
was well.

So now I'm transcoding video and finally, after years of dealing with an
Asus P9X79 setup that worked great except for when it had to work hard,
just look at these temps under 100% load! Just look!

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


https://goo.gl/S2VxCM

And not only is it doing the job without complaining, it looks pretty
nice too!

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy


https://goo.gl/SctUIW

Pretty nice? What am I saying. I think it looks terrific. It's big,
though. Kinda like the 2001 A Space Odyssey monolith. I hope it
doesn't start calling me "Dave."

And the USB 3.0 internal card is working just fine in a PCI slot even
though the card is PCIE. And it's all running quiet, so very quiet!

Finally, finally. Thanks all of you, Paul especially, for your help.


Just keep an eye on the VCore heatsink. That's the
one part of my P9X79 that worries me the most. I think
the situation has improved, since I took the motherboard
off defaults. I think my system was around 182W at the plug
when flat out, the last time I checked. And the worrying part,
is when that little VCore heatsink is dumping 10W+ at the
time.

Your CPU temp looks great, no problems there.

Paul
 




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