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Old July 17th 18, 03:01 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Thinking of 1080 or 1080ti graphic instead
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Old July 17th 18, 03:53 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Case 1 x iBUYPOWER Snowblind Element [Restock Date: 11/27]
LED Fan Lighting 1 x 3x [RGB] Raidmax NV-R120B 120mm RGB LED Ring Fan
Case Lighting 1 x Snowblind White LEDs
Processor 1 x Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor (6x 3.70GHz/12MB L3 Cache)
Processor Cooling 1 x DEEPCOOL Captain 120EX Gamer Storm 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System - RGB
Memory 1 x 16 GB [8 GB X2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module - Certified Major Brand Gaming Memory
Video Card 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready) - FREE Upgrade to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 MSI ARMOR OC 8GB
Motherboard 1 x GIGABYTE Z370XP SLI -- RGB Fusion, 3x PCIe x16, 1x USB 3.1 Gen2, 6x USB 3.1 Gen1 [Intel Optane Ready]
Power Supply 1 x 800 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze - (includes White Sleeved Cables)
Primary Hard Drive 1 x 16 GB Intel® Optane™ Memory Accelerator M.2 PCIe NVMe + 1 TB 7200RPM Hard Drive - (OS Drive)
Data Hard Drive 1 x 1 TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Sound Card 1 x 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card 1 x Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

New build list


Find a branded memory.

One where the reviews are good. You want what you're
buying to be "traceable".

If it's one thing I learned about unbranded DIMMs, it's
that they "drop like flies", with an MTBF of 18 months average.

You want a product that's branded, and has sufficient
reviews to spot trouble.

Even Crucial has made bum products. Initially their
Ballistix was pretty good, and they they fell on
hard times and the quality just wasn't there. They seemed
to be selecting the wrong materials for enthusiast memory.

We go through patches like this. And then one of the memory chip
companies will make something that meets spec with practically
no testing at all. And then all the branded enthusiast DIMMs
will be using that particular die and part number, to make
DIMMs.

As another example, at one time Winbond made some kickass
memory, that you could "overvolt to the sky". A 2.5V RAM
that would run at 3.6V say (use a little cooling). But
Winbond hasn't made anything like that in some time,
and more mainstream makers are preferred now. And the
silicon connecting to such things, isn't as tolerant as
it once was (i.e. 1.5V memory limited to no more
than 1.65V, in the DDR3 generation).

*******

The user manual doesn't have a block diagram. Some Gigabyte
boards show the block diagram for the system. Yours in this
case, would be something like this.

(What I downloaded to try and find a block diagram...)

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...70xp-sli_e.pdf

What the block diagram could look like...

dual ch, 4 DIMMs ------ CPU ------- (2) x8 wired video slots (SLI)
|
| DMI (four lane bus)
|
SATA ------- PCH (Z370)
|
+------ x4 (third big slot)
|
+------ (3) x1 slots
|
+------ (some NIC etc)

While the connectors are x16 long, the wiring is the thing.
It's possible if you use the top slot for video, the BW is
x16 in that case. It used to take four mux chips for
"bifurcation" logic, to split the total of x16 CPU lanes,
into (1) x16 or (2) x8 config. When you plug a video card
into the second video slot, it should run x8 in any case.

The DMI bus is a choke point. For example, if you run
an M.2 drive on the board, it's possible it uses a
significant portion of the DMI. There might be some
"cross" patterns that use too much bandwidth. But
the experience of most people seems to be, they
use one thing at a time, or the pattern is TX on
one item, RX on another (the busses are full duplex),
and there's no significant issue with throttling due to DMI.

Mainly it's an issue of "bookkeeping". My diagram above
isn't complete. The PCH has many different interfaces
on it, but chances are, you're not transferring stuff
between two source disk drives and two destination
disk drives. And somehow leading to oversubscription
of the bandwidth.

*******

As for this:

16 GB Intel Optane Memory Accelerator

Find a review.

Intel has been "backing this pony" for a long time.

What should happen, is your boot goes faster, and
maybe that's about it. It might have value, but
find a review. When I build systems for myself,
I ignore stuff like this.

Paul
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Old July 17th 18, 05:42 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Bill wrote:
wrote:
Case 1 x iBUYPOWER Snowblind Element [Restock Date: 11/27]
LED Fan Lighting 1 x 3x [RGB] Raidmax NV-R120B 120mm RGB LED Ring Fan
Case Lighting 1 x Snowblind White LEDs
Processor 1 x Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor (6x 3.70GHz/12MB L3
Cache)
Processor Cooling 1 x DEEPCOOL Captain 120EX Gamer Storm 120mm
Liquid CPU Cooling System - RGB
Memory 1 x 16 GB [8 GB X2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module - Certified
Major Brand Gaming Memory
Video Card 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready) - FREE
Upgrade to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 MSI ARMOR OC 8GB
Motherboard 1 x GIGABYTE Z370XP SLI -- RGB Fusion, 3x PCIe x16, 1x
USB 3.1 Gen2, 6x USB 3.1 Gen1 [Intel Optane Ready]
Power Supply 1 x 800 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze - (includes
White Sleeved Cables)
Primary Hard Drive 1 x 16 GB Intel® Optane™ Memory Accelerator M.2
PCIe NVMe + 1 TB 7200RPM Hard Drive - (OS Drive)
Data Hard Drive 1 x 1 TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s
- Single Drive
Sound Card 1 x 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card 1 x Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

New build list



As long as you're going to detail your components, why not add prices to
help make it more informative?

Cheers,
Bill


https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Intel-Z370-Element

If you scroll down to the video card choice, you'll see
the default choice is:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready)
FREE Upgrade to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 MSI ARMOR OC 8GB

He is buying from a menu.

I wondered about the branding on the computer case,
and your question got me curious enough to look it up.

*******

If you scroll down to the non-default memory section,
there you can see the brandings they offer.

16 GB [8 GB X2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module (w/ RGB Lighting)
ADATA XPG SPECTRIX D41 (RGB LED)
ADATA XPG SPECTRIX D40 (RGB LED)
G.SKILL Trident Z (RGB LED)
Corsair Vengeance (RGB LED)

Of those, I'd select the G.SKILL, for no other
reason than I own some.

So when the default install says

Certified Major Brand Gaming Memory

it's probably the ADATA product. In the regular market, the
ADATA might be a bit cheaper. You can look some up on Newegg
to see how the prices compare on each.

And fancy memory doesn't help a whole hell of
a lot. Years ago it used to matter. Wasting all your
money on fancy RAM now, isn't quite as clever.

I had a couple Core2 systems, and one had DDR2-533 (slow),
and it hardly mattered. What did matter, was the cache on
one Core2 system was smaller than the other, and 7ZIP
ran at 2/3rds of the speed, on the gutless system. One
CPU had 2MB cache, the other 6MB. Only 7ZIP cared about
this. Games didn't care at all.

Paul
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Old July 17th 18, 06:00 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Paul wrote:
Bill wrote:
wrote:
Case*** 1 x iBUYPOWER Snowblind Element [Restock Date: 11/27]
LED Fan Lighting*** 1 x 3x [RGB] Raidmax NV-R120B 120mm RGB
LED Ring Fan
Case Lighting*** 1 x Snowblind White LEDs
Processor*** 1 x Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor (6x
3.70GHz/12MB L3 Cache)
Processor Cooling*** 1 x DEEPCOOL Captain 120EX Gamer Storm
120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System - RGB
Memory*** 1 x 16 GB [8 GB X2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module -
Certified Major Brand Gaming Memory
Video Card*** 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready) -
FREE Upgrade to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 MSI ARMOR OC 8GB
Motherboard*** 1 x GIGABYTE Z370XP SLI -- RGB Fusion, 3x PCIe
x16, 1x USB 3.1 Gen2, 6x USB 3.1 Gen1 [Intel Optane Ready]
Power Supply*** 1 x 800 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze -
(includes White Sleeved Cables)
Primary Hard Drive*** 1 x 16 GB Intel® Optane™ Memory
Accelerator M.2 PCIe NVMe + 1 TB 7200RPM Hard Drive - (OS Drive)
Data Hard Drive*** 1 x 1 TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM,
6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Sound Card*** 1 x 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card*** 1 x Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

New build list



As long as you're going to detail your components, why not add
prices to help make it more informative?

Cheers,
Bill


https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Intel-Z370-Element

If you scroll down to the video card choice, you'll see
the default choice is:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready)
** FREE Upgrade to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 MSI ARMOR OC 8GB

He is buying from a menu.



15 years ago I bought a semi-assembled system from a menu-based
web page like that. They made a couple of mistakes in assembly.
So don't assume that they can do a better job than you--because
you are more likely to read the main board manual first, for
instance! The company I purchased that system from went out of
business. If you can wait until "Black Friday", you might be able
to save a few hundred dollars (maybe not at that site?). I've
had good luck finding prices I like at NewEgg. They let you build
a system as a shopping list there too..I forget the exact
details--but it is helpful! Good luck!

Bill
 




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