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Old April 25th 05, 10:02 PM
Susan Morgan
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I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I don't feel
ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into perspective, milk
doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone here with some user
advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan
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Old April 25th 05, 11:37 PM
Frank
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Susan Morgan wrote:
I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I don't feel
ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into perspective, milk
doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone here with some user
advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan

Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank
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Old April 25th 05, 11:45 PM
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Susan Morgan wrote:
I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan


Why does your fridge run on milk? That's funny, mine uses electricity.

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Old April 25th 05, 11:54 PM
Susan Morgan
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Frank wrote in news:Uiebe.18761$%[email protected]:

Susan Morgan wrote:
I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan

Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank


No, I am not. I'd like some user comments before I buy.

Susan
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Old April 26th 05, 12:31 AM
Frank
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Susan Morgan wrote:
Frank wrote in news:Uiebe.18761$%[email protected]:


Susan Morgan wrote:

I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan


Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank



No, I am not. I'd like some user comments before I buy.

Susan


I can attest to the fact that I do a lot of printing on all my printers
and use only compatible ink carts and never have had any problems
whatsoever. I have three brands of printers: Epson, HP and Canon.
How much printing and of what nature (documents or pictures) will it be?
Frank
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Old April 26th 05, 12:57 AM
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If you choose not to use Canon OEM ink I would recommend that you find
an actual manufacturer/formulator. The only real one that I heard about
is Sensinet who sells gallons of ink to bulk refillers and industry.
They do not have a consumer size for inkjet users.

I would find a reseller that advertises the name of the the manufacturer
on their website and adequately describes what they are selling.
88inkjets is one.


Just beware when reading websites. There are a bunch of hawkers out
there who do not want to tell you what they are selling you, who over
use the word "compatible", and are either hiding what they are selling
you and or hiding their poor business practices.

Also beware of some of the "hobbyists" in this NG who may be either
representing or are affiliated with some of these hawkers.

And there are people who have had print head clogs who consider that a
part of doing their printing. I guess I am lucky. I have used HP
printers for 10 years and my Canon for 7 months and have had not problems.



Frank wrote:

Susan Morgan wrote:

I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan


Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank

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Old April 26th 05, 01:08 AM
Burt
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Susan - Measekite is at it again! Please read my (too long) post, take the
time to get a bit more information, and don't be frightened away by
Measekite.

Inkjet printers have the potential to get clogged heads with their own brand
inks as well as quality aftermarket inks. The two major issues are 1) the
quality of the aftermarket inks and cartridges and 2) the frequency with
which you print. In addition, there is always some buildup of dried ink on
the underside of printheads that can sometimes cause clogs with months or
years of normal, regular use. Since you are interested in your supplies
beyond just going to the store and buying Canon cartridges it would be a
good idea to become more educated regarding these printers, inks and
cartridges. Measekite is right that there are many poor quality inks out
there, but he is critical of the vendors, small businesses that repackage
other brand inks and sell them with their own labels on the internet, and he
writes about them in a disparaging manner. Moreover, he has never used these
products and yet makes authoritative statements based on what he has
selectively gleaned from reading posts on newsgroups. Although few of the
vendors advertise which inks they are selling, there are a few who do let
you know. I have personally used MIS inks to refill Canon carts and have
been very happy with the product (which I have been told is Image Specialist
ink). Look through this newsgroup for posts by Ron Cohen and Taliesyn for
info about their personal excellent experiences with third party inks.
Following are a few sites that have excellent information by people who
don't just give you their opinionated response - they have used these
products successfully, and they also report when they have had problems.
Neil Slade's info on Canon printers, papers, and inks is at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html . Then follow the link he
gives near the top of that site to http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ for
the forum on ink jet stuff. Lots of information there as well. It's a good
idea to know how to trouble shoot printer problems that can occur with any
ink and that information is on those sites. Sensient Formulabs inks are
available bulk and also in prefilled cartridges, and this ink has quite a
good reputation with people who have used it and reported on this and other
forums. In addition to a site noted repeatedly by Measekite (not a personal
endorsement as he has never used aftermarket inks) Formulabs ink is in
cartridges sold by Alotofthings (their Arrow carts, not Rainbow), Weink
(carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, I have been
told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can contact each of
them to verify that their cartridges are filled with Formulabs inks before
purchasing. Do sign in to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask any questions of
them that you wish. They are very helpful. There are also some extremely
helpful participants on this newsgroup as well, but you can also experience
the invective and snide remarks of a few people on this NG that might tend
to discourage you from pursuing this issue.

"measekite" wrote in message
...
If you choose not to use Canon OEM ink I would recommend that you find an
actual manufacturer/formulator. The only real one that I heard about is
Sensinet who sells gallons of ink to bulk refillers and industry. They do
not have a consumer size for inkjet users.

I would find a reseller that advertises the name of the the manufacturer
on their website and adequately describes what they are selling.
88inkjets is one.


Just beware when reading websites. There are a bunch of hawkers out there
who do not want to tell you what they are selling you, who over use the
word "compatible", and are either hiding what they are selling you and or
hiding their poor business practices.

Also beware of some of the "hobbyists" in this NG who may be either
representing or are affiliated with some of these hawkers.

And there are people who have had print head clogs who consider that a
part of doing their printing. I guess I am lucky. I have used HP
printers for 10 years and my Canon for 7 months and have had not problems.



Frank wrote:

Susan Morgan wrote:

I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I don't
feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan


Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank



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Old April 26th 05, 01:23 AM
Susan Morgan
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Frank wrote in news:a5fbe.19130$%[email protected]:

Susan Morgan wrote:
Frank wrote in news:Uiebe.18761$%[email protected]:


Susan Morgan wrote:

I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan

Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank



No, I am not. I'd like some user comments before I buy.

Susan


I can attest to the fact that I do a lot of printing on all my
printers
and use only compatible ink carts and never have had any problems
whatsoever. I have three brands of printers: Epson, HP and Canon.
How much printing and of what nature (documents or pictures) will it
be? Frank



I will be printing letters, travel information from the net, and photos,
of course. It sounds like you're happy with your compatibles... on all
your printers.

Susan
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Old April 26th 05, 01:39 AM
measekite
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Burt wrote:

Susan - Measekite is at it again! Please read my (too long) post, take the
time to get a bit more information, and don't be frightened away by
Measekite.




What I am saying is the truth. All she has to do is go to all of the
websites and see if they disclose what they are selling. Then go to
www.costco.com or www.officedepot.com or www.staples.com or
www.epson.com or www.canonusa.com or even www.hp.com. See what each
site discloses about their product line and how professional they look.
Remember it is your money and you need to judge for yourself. I am not
advocating anything other than you have your eyes wide open on these issues.

As for paper I will mostly like discontinue my use of Canon Photo Paper
Pro even though I think that it the best. Costco/Kirkland (possibly
Ilford) is about 98% as good and about one seventh of the price. A 125
sheet package costs $18.95 for about 120 sheets. That is 15 cents a
sheet for 8.5x11. I also bought from Costco a Fiskars rotary paper
cutter for $29.00. I get 3 4x6 or 2 4x6 plus a 5x8 from a sheet. My
cost for a 4x6 is nominally 4 cents. The results are great. Paper is
one thing that will not affect your printer in any negative way, only
the results. My results happen to be with OEM ink. If I ran through a
set of carts every month or 2 I would find a supplier of after market
ink that discloses what he sells and then would research the
manufacturer/formulator for quality. In the meantime I find Costco's
price of $9.00 a cart to be the lowest I found.

I too agree that the price is out of line. But I am still driving and
the price of gas is out of line also.

Inkjet printers have the potential to get clogged heads with their own brand
inks as well as quality aftermarket inks. The two major issues are 1) the
quality of the aftermarket inks and cartridges and 2) the frequency with
which you print. In addition, there is always some buildup of dried ink on
the underside of printheads that can sometimes cause clogs with months or
years of normal, regular use. Since you are interested in your supplies
beyond just going to the store and buying Canon cartridges it would be a
good idea to become more educated regarding these printers, inks and
cartridges. Measekite is right that there are many poor quality inks out
there, but he is critical of the vendors, small businesses that repackage
other brand inks and sell them with their own labels on the internet, and he
writes about them in a disparaging manner. Moreover, he has never used these
products and yet makes authoritative statements based on what he has
selectively gleaned from reading posts on newsgroups. Although few of the
vendors advertise which inks they are selling, there are a few who do let
you know. I have personally used MIS inks to refill Canon carts and have
been very happy with the product (which I have been told is Image Specialist
ink). Look through this newsgroup for posts by Ron Cohen and Taliesyn for
info about their personal excellent experiences with third party inks.
Following are a few sites that have excellent information by people who
don't just give you their opinionated response - they have used these
products successfully, and they also report when they have had problems.
Neil Slade's info on Canon printers, papers, and inks is at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html . Then follow the link he
gives near the top of that site to http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ for
the forum on ink jet stuff. Lots of information there as well. It's a good
idea to know how to trouble shoot printer problems that can occur with any
ink and that information is on those sites. Sensient Formulabs inks are
available bulk and also in prefilled cartridges, and this ink has quite a
good reputation with people who have used it and reported on this and other
forums. In addition to a site noted repeatedly by Measekite (not a personal
endorsement as he has never used aftermarket inks) Formulabs ink is in
cartridges sold by Alotofthings (their Arrow carts, not Rainbow), Weink
(carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, I have been
told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can contact each of
them to verify that their cartridges are filled with Formulabs inks before
purchasing. Do sign in to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask any questions of
them that you wish. They are very helpful. There are also some extremely
helpful participants on this newsgroup as well, but you can also experience
the invective and snide remarks of a few people on this NG that might tend
to discourage you from pursuing this issue.

"measekite" wrote in message
m...


If you choose not to use Canon OEM ink I would recommend that you find an
actual manufacturer/formulator. The only real one that I heard about is
Sensinet who sells gallons of ink to bulk refillers and industry. They do
not have a consumer size for inkjet users.

I would find a reseller that advertises the name of the the manufacturer
on their website and adequately describes what they are selling.
88inkjets is one.


Just beware when reading websites. There are a bunch of hawkers out there
who do not want to tell you what they are selling you, who over use the
word "compatible", and are either hiding what they are selling you and or
hiding their poor business practices.

Also beware of some of the "hobbyists" in this NG who may be either
representing or are affiliated with some of these hawkers.

And there are people who have had print head clogs who consider that a
part of doing their printing. I guess I am lucky. I have used HP
printers for 10 years and my Canon for 7 months and have had not problems.



Frank wrote:



Susan Morgan wrote:



I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I don't
feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan


Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank






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Old April 26th 05, 01:45 AM
Frank
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Susan Morgan wrote:
Frank wrote in news:a5fbe.19130$%[email protected]:


Susan Morgan wrote:

Frank wrote in news:Uiebe.18761$%[email protected]:



Susan Morgan wrote:


I'll be buying a new printer soon (Canon) and like to read people's
experiences. I'm especially interested in compatible ink since I
don't feel ink should cost half as much as a printer. To put in into
perspective, milk doesn't cost half as much as my fridge :-). Anyone
here with some user advice for a newbie in this field?

Susan

Are you currently using any compatibles?
Frank



No, I am not. I'd like some user comments before I buy.

Susan


I can attest to the fact that I do a lot of printing on all my
printers
and use only compatible ink carts and never have had any problems
whatsoever. I have three brands of printers: Epson, HP and Canon.
How much printing and of what nature (documents or pictures) will it
be? Frank




I will be printing letters, travel information from the net, and photos,
of course. It sounds like you're happy with your compatibles... on all
your printers.

Susan


Yes I am. You should take a look at this article about counterfeit oem
carts.

http://pcworld.about.com/news/May212003id110835.htm

Frank
 




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